247–4

Conversation No. 247-4

Date: April 13, 1971
Time: Unknown between 1:23 pm and 6:00 pm
Location: Executive Office Building

The President met with Stephen B. Bull


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Bull left and H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman and John D. Ehrlichman entered at 2:49 pm

Black colleges
-Problems
-Finances
-Faculty and students

[A transcript of the following portion of this conversation was prepared under court order on
January 5, 1979, for Special Access [SA] 15, US v. L[ouis] Patrick Gray, III, W. Mark Felt, and
Edward S. Miller, No. 78-000179. The National Archives and Records Administration produced
this transcript. The National Archives does not guarantee its accuracy.]

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George P. Shultz entered at 3:04 pm

Peter M. Flanigan
-Meeting
-Schedule

Haldeman left at 3:06 pm

Economic indicators
-Gross National Product [GNP]
-Arthur F. Burns
-March retail sales
-Increase
-Paul W. McCracken
-Expectations
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-March retail sales
-Gains
-Automobile sales
-Robert P. Griffin

Federal Reserve Board’s [FRB] policy
-Shultz’s views
-Interest rates Conv. No. 247-4 (cont.)
-Shultz’s conversation with Milton Friedman
-Monetary policy
-General Motors strike
-Money supply
-Burns’ policies
-Interest rates
-Money supply
-Melvin Leffler
-Theory

GNP
-Figure
-Economy

Atomic energy
-Southern California
-North American Rockwell
-Unknown man’s role in bidding
-Cabinet meeting, April 13, 1971
-Problems
-Cabinet’s role
-Peter G. Peterson
-Building of prototypes
-Numbers
-President’s question to Milton Shaw at Cabinet meeting
-Anti-ballistic missiles
-Funding
-Private investment versus public funding
-Rationale
-Budget
-Shaw’s role
-Joint Atomic Energy Committee
-Issues
-Shaw
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-Admiral Hyman G. Rickover
-Prototypes
-Nuclear reactors
-Numbers
-Companies
-Necessity of a consortium
-Location
-Southern California Conv. No. 247-4 (cont.)
-Importance
-Finances
-Location
-Southern California
-Prototypes
-North American Rockwell
-Importance
-Ehrlichman’s possible role
-Flanigan
-William E. Kriegsman
-Problems
-Public versus private funds
-Radiation
-Location
-Environment

Texas drought

Cabinet meeting, April 13, 1971
-Results
-Chet Holifield’s views
-George W. Romney

Energy shortage
-Coal
-Oil shale
-Cost

Texas drought
-President’s conversation with General George A. Lincoln, April 13, 1971
-Disaster area
-US Department of Agriculture [USDA]
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Administration’s health proposal
-John W. Byrnes
-Maurice H. Stans
-Elliot L. Richardson
-Byrnes’ schedule

Holifield
-Shultz Conv. No. 247-4 (cont.)
-Breeder reactor
-Possible role
-Southern California

Ehrlichman’s letter to Southern California Edison
-President’s conversation with Holifield

Internal Revenue Service [IRS]
-John B. Connally’s plans
-Personnel shifts
-Edwin S. Cohen
-John S. Nolan
-Johnnie M. Walters
-Cohen
-Possible role
-President’s possible conversation with Connally
-Walters
-Connally’s personnel shifts
-Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms [BATF]
-Rex D. Davis

[The President talked with an unknown person at an unknown time between 3:06 pm and 3:38
pm]

[Conversation No. 247-4A]

IRS
-Connally’s personnel shifts
-Possible effects

Joseph W. Daniels
-Stanley R. Resor
-Rod Kreger
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General Services Administration [GSA]
-Civil rights
-Fair housing
-Employees
-Black ratio
-Case

Fair housing Conv. No. 247-4 (cont.)
-Administration
-Location
-Charlottesville, Virginia
-Military bases
-Department of Defense
-GSA
-Location
-Atlanta
-Bureau of Public Roads
-Relocation
-Herman E. Talmadge
-Kentucky, Florida
-GSA’s policy on civil rights
-Negotiations
-GSA
-Robert L. Kunzig
-Pensacola, Florida; Orange County, Florida
-Criteria
-Location of Federal buildings
-Watts [Los Angeles]
-Importance of rehabilitation
-Language
-Haldeman
-Kunzig
-Career aspirations
-Philadelphia Bicentennial Commission
-Judgeship
-President’s schedule

GNP
-Growth
-Expectations
-Burns
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-Stock market
-President’s conversation with Haldeman

Haldeman and Flanigan entered and Shultz and Ehrlichman left at 3:38 pm

-Rise

Movie Conv. No. 247-4 (cont.)

Jack J. Valenti
-Taft Schreiber
-Lyndon B. Johnson

Television networks
-Divestiture of production facilities
-Possible consequences of suit
-Schreiber
-Richard W. McLaren
-John N. Mitchell
-Anti-trust laws

Stock market
-Rise
-Unknown man discussed
-Financial writers
-Bull market
-Motivation
-Possible dinner
-Connally and Mitchell

Establishment members
-Harvard University
-Henry A. Kissinger
-Princeton University
-Shultz
-Yale University
-Burns
-Western
-Charles H. Percy and Mark O. Hatfield
-Eastern heartland
-William J. Casey
-Flanigan
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-Edward W. Brooke and John W. McCormack
-San Francisco and Chicago
-Los Angeles
-Texas
-John J. McCloy and Thomas S. Gates, Jr.
-David Rockefeller

Civil Aeronautics Board [CAB] Conv. No. 247-4 (cont.)
-Vote
-Rate of return
-Airlines’ rates
-Instructions to Connally
-Flanigan’s possible conversation with unknown members
-Vice President Spiro T. Agnew

Personnel
-Consumerism
-Virginia H. Knauer
-Anti-trust
-William D. Ruckelshaus
-IRS
-Equal Employment Opportunity Commission [EEOC]
-William H. Brown, III
-Environmental Protection Agency [EPA]
-Ruckelshaus
-Pollution

Environment
-William P. Lear
-Engine
-John A. Volpe
-Visits to Europe
-Outcome
-Automobile companies
-Herbert W. Kalmbach and Kissinger
-Emission standards
-Edmund S. Muskie
-Safety
-Air bags
-Volpe
-Haldeman’s conversation with Dr. Franklin D. Murphy
-Seat belts
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-Possible removal
-Air bags
Personnel
-Italians
-Frank C. Carlucci
-John A. Scali

Movie industry Conv. No. 247-4 (cont.)

Meeting with business leaders
-President’s schedule

[Shultz talked with the President between 3:53 pm and 3:54 pm]

[Conversation No. 247-4B]

[See Conversation No. 42-31]

[End of telephone conversation]

GNP
-Increase
-Otto Eckstein
-Administration projections
-McCracken

Stock Market
-Trading
-Comparison with 1968

Boat sales
-Don Olsen [sp?]

Miami Beach
-Charles G. (“Bebe”) Rebozo
-Problems
-American Airlines

Retail sales
-March figures

Businessmen
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-Stans’ list
-Unions
-Democrats
-John L. McClellan
-Vance Hartke
-Interstate Commerce Commission
-Political considerations
-Consumers Conv. No. 247-4 (cont.)
-Environment
-Anti-trust
-Stans, Romney
-Legislation
-Consumers
-Knauer
-Trade associations
-Commerce Department
-Stans
-Health bill
-Small business
-Richardson
-Health bill
-Cost analysis by unknown staff members
-Small Business Administration [SBA]
-Thomas S. Kleppe
-Future conversation with Byrnes
-President’s forthcoming meeting with Byrnes

SBA
-Los Angeles office
-Kleppe
-Performance

Personnel
-Ambassadors
-Changes
-Mitchell and Mark Evans
-Election
-J. Willard (“Bill”) Marriott, Jr.
-Evans
-Denmark
-Guilford Dudley, Jr.
-Fred J. Russell
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-Bert S. Cross
-Office of Emergency Preparedness [OEP]
-National Security Council [NSC]
-Reorganization of OEP
-Civil Defense, stockpile programs
-Department of Defense
-Cross
-Qualifications Conv. No. 247-4 (cont.)
-Lincoln
-Disasters
-Texas
-USDA
-Instructions to John G. Tower
-NSC
-Edward J. Green
-Department of State
-Australia
-Walter L. Rice
-John W. Rollins
-Marriott
-New Zealand
-Kenneth Franzheim, II
-Australia
-California appointee
-John D. (“Jack”) Wrather, Jr.
-Bonita Granville Wrather
-Los Angeles
-Ed Burke [sp?]
-University of California
-Wrather
-Edgar D. Whitcomb, Governor of Indiana
-Wife
-Australia
-Indiana
-Philippines
-Rice
-Whitcomb
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Kissinger entered at 4:20 pm

Ambassadors
-Henry A. Byroade
-Possible Assistant Secretary, Far East
-Philippines
-William J. Porter
-Australia
-Whitcomb
-Philippines
-Whitcomb
-Porter
-Byroade

Vietnam
-Kissinger’s conversation with Melvin R. Laird
-Possible summit meeting
-Defense Department study
-Volunteers

Ambassadors
-Robert Strausz-Hupe
-Ceylon
-Denmark
-Russell
-Confirmation
-William P. Rogers
-Ceylon
-John Richardson, Jr.
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-Strausz-Hupe
-Prime Minister
-Possible conversation with Russell
-Strausz-Hupe

Kissinger’s conversation with Laird

Conv. No. 247-4 (cont.)
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Connally
-Location

Ambassadors
-Australia
-Mitchell
-Philippines

Kissinger and Haldeman left at 4:24 pm

Connally entered at 4:25 pm

Connally’s trip to Texas
-OEP

Lockheed bailout
-Connally’s forthcoming conversation with Flanigan
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CAB decision
-Voting
-Results
-Fares

Lockheed bailout
-Connally’s forthcoming meeting with James S. McDonnell
-Connally’s conversation with Fred Griffith [sp?] Conv. No. 247-4 (cont.)
-Bank financing
-David Packard
-Prospects
-Sale of C-130s to Iran
-Connally’s conversation with McDonnell
-Guarantees
-Amounts
-Armaments orders
-United States’ Congress
-Super Sonic Transport [SST]
-Packard’s views
-Southern California
-Consequences of bankruptcy

GNP
-Forecasts
-Projects
-Retail sales
-March figures
-Wilson Sporting Goods

Stock market
-Figures

Banks
-Congress
-Policy

Stock market
-William McChesney Martin

Banks
-Connally’s conversation with Rockefeller
-H. Ross Perot
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-William S. Renchard
-Robert W. Fleming of Riggs Bank
-Renchard
-Rockefeller
-Connally’s possible call to Renchard


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Conv. No. 247-4 (cont.)

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Flanigan left at 4:40 pm

Texas drought assistance
-Connally’s report
-Grain program
-Delivery of hay
-Colorado
-Alfalfa
-New Mexico, Arizona
-Government payment for fodder transportation under Harry S Truman

[The President talked with the White House operator at an unknown time between 4:40 pm and
4:47 pm]

[Conversation No. 247-4C]

-Lincoln
-Drought
-Connally’s farm
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[The President talked with Lincoln between 4:40 pm and 4:47 pm]

[Conversation No. 247-4D]

[See Conversation No. 42-33]

[End of telephone conversation]
Conv. No. 247-4 (cont.)
-Necessity for leadership
-Situation in Texas
-Lincoln’s conversation with Clifford M. Hardin
-Hay program
-Necessity for action

Connally’s visit to Texas

Economic situation
-Connally’s draft memorandum
-Balance of payments
-Dispersal of authority
-McCracken, Stans
-Burns
-Shultz
-Peterson
-Business community’s attitudes
-Connally’s meeting with Peterson, Shultz, and McCracken
-Connally’s meeting with bankers
-Fight against inflation
-President’s political interests in 1972
-Domestic and international situation
-Monetary situation

Manolo Sanchez entered at an unknown time after 3:38 pm

Refreshment

Sanchez left at an unknown time before 4:47 pm

Textiles
-Japan
-Wilbur D. Mills
-Attitude towards President
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-Political aspirations
House leadership
-[Thomas] Hale Boggs
-Carl B. Albert
-George H. Mahon
-Albert
-Mills
-President’s conversation with Bryce N. Harlow Conv. No. 247-4 (cont.)
-Political aspirations
-Mahon
-Mills

David M. Kennedy’s trip to Asia
-Voluntary export quotas
-Japan
-Taiwan
-Hong Kong, Korea
-Negotiations
-President’s Objections
-Japan
-Effects of export quota
-Attitude of American business

Money supply
-Burns’ policy
-Interest rates

Labor legislation
-Prospects
-Congress
-Transportation
-Prospects
-Senate Labor Committee
-Jacob K. Javits
-Abraham A. Ribicoff
-Carl D. Perkins
-United Mine Workers
-Business reaction
-Senate
-John V. Tunney and Alan Cranston
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-1972 prospects
-Timing
-Labor
-Wage increases
-Economic climate

Vietnam
-United States withdrawal Conv. No. 247-4 (cont.)
-Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [USSR]
-Prospects
-”Psychology of the country”
-Effects
-Business reaction
-Berkeley
-Corpus Christi, Texas
-Youth
-Local reaction
-Laguna Beach, California

Geographic areas
-South
-Southern California
-Beverly Hills and Hollywood
-San Diego and Los Angeles
-New York
-Mountain States
-Eastern “establishment”
-Cities
-Media

Economy
-Inflation
-Connally’s conversation with Al Hatie [sp?] and Burns
-Confidence
-Hatie
-Short-term Treasury rates
-Long-term bond rates
-Money supply
-Economic forecast
-General Motors strike
-Unemployment
-Trend
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-Youth
-Johnson Administration
-Work ethic
-Strawberry growers
-Unknown winner of contest
-Topics of conversation
-Drought
-Vietnam War Conv. No. 247-4 (cont.)
-Weather

Vietnam War
-President’s actions
-Timing of withdrawal announcement
-United States’ combat role
-Prospects
-Bombing halt
-Johnson’s 1968 action
-Troop levels
-Prisoners of war

Foreign relations
-USSR
-Negotiations
-Leadership
-People’s Republic of China [PRC]
-End of United States’ trade restrictions
-USSR
-United States’ concerns
-Vietnam
-Effects of US withdrawal
-Pakistan
-India
-United States-India relations
-Aid assistance
-Foreign aid
-President’s speaking technique
-Need for emotion
-Suggestions

Meeting of hunters and fisherman in San Antonio
-May 3, 1971
-Composition
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-Representation
-Nations
-Conservation
-Work with governments
-Africa and India
-President’s possible attendance
-Speech
Conv. No. 247-4 (cont.)
Forums
-Speaking opportunities for President
-Meeting of hunters and fishermen in San Antonio
-Hearst Kline [sp?]
-Ely Yates [sp?]
-People’s need for leadership

Cabinet
-President’s direction
-Mitchell and Richard D. Kleindienst
-Boggs
-J. Edgar Hoover
-Possible removal
-Age
-Need to support President
-Connally’s experience
-Rogers
-Press
-Welfare
-E. L. Richardson
-John W. Gardner
-”Eastern” establishment
-Romney and Volpe
-Volpe
-Rogers and Herbert G. Klein
-Mitchell
-Agnew
-Volpe
-Rogers
-Muskie and Hubert H. Humphrey
-Agnew
-J. William Fulbright
-President and Muskie
-Rogers, Laird, E. L. Richardson, and Connally
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-E. L. Richardson
-James D. Hodgson and Hardin
-Need to support President
-Dwight D. Eisenhower
-John Foster Dulles

President’s speaking technique
-Need for emotion Conv. No. 247-4 (cont.)
-Vietnam
-Speech writing
-Howard K. Smith interview
-Need for emotion
-Outrage
-Press
-Audience

Agnew
-President’s conversation with Laird
-Popularity
-Texas
-Popular perceptions
-Sincerity
-Risks
-Alliteration
-Humor
-Muskie and Humphrey
-Alliteration
-Risks
-Personal characteristics
-Loyalty

Role of Administration members
-E. L. Richardson
-Cabinet
-Role
-Support for President
-Fulbright
-Connally’s relations with William Proxmire
-Henry S. Reuss
-Need for leadership
-Connally’s role
-Katharine L. Graham, Washington Post
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-Interviews
-Washington Star
-Time-Life
-Lloyd N. Cutler
-Domestic intelligence board
-Johnson
-Federal Bureau of Investigation [FBI]
-Memorandum Conv. No. 247-4 (cont.)
-George Pfair [sp?], President American Airlines
-FBI
-Domestic intelligence board
-Connally’s forthcoming call to unknown person

Hoover’s removal
-Sensitivity
-Age
-Public support
-Boggs
-Attacks against
-Washington Star
-Age
-Supreme Court Justices
-Hugo L. Black
-John M. Harlan
-William O. Douglas
-Mandatory retirement
-Older Congressmen
-Supreme court

Connally left at 6:00 pm