370–9

Conversation No. 370-9

Date: October 19, 1972
Time: 1:48 pm - 4:15 pm
Location: Executive Office Building


The President met with H.R. (“Bob”) Haldeman.

Haldeman’s previous meeting with Roy L. Ash

Ash Council
-Study
-Ash’s schedule
-Administrative recommendations

An unknown person entered and left at an unknown time before 2:38 pm.

Government reorganization
-Ash council recommendations
-Space Council
-Science Council
-Science Advisory Board [SAB]
-Science advisor
-President’s Science Advisory Committee [PSAC]
-Office of Emergency Preparedness {OEP]
-Legal obstacles
-Cabinet departments
-Acquisition of Executive Office of the President [EOP] offices
-Drug abuse law enforcement
-Department of Justice, Department of Health,
Education, and Welfare [HEW]
-Ash’s view
-Cabinet meeting after forthcoming election
-November 8, 1972
-William P. Rogers
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-Vice President Spiro T. Agnew
-Resignation of Cabinet members
-Resignations of political appointees after election
-Categories
-Surveys
-Choices
-November 10, 1972 deadline
-White House staff, agencies, boards, councils
-Office of Personnel Management [OPM]
-Handling of on-going business
-Vacations
-Employee analysis of functions, office status, future
-Timing
-November 15 – December 15, 1972
-Military aide
-Gen. Brent G. Scowcroft
-Brig. Gen. Daniel (\"Chappie\") James, Jr.
-John V. (“Jack”) Brennan
-Service branch
-Air Force
-Maj. Gen. James D. (“Don”) Hughes
-James
-Blacks
-Appearance
-Possible role with Administration
-Relationship with blacks
-Staff meetings
-Publicity
-Alexander M. Haig, Jr.
-Background investigation
-Wife
-Advantages

Telephone calls


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Watergate
-Federal Bureau of Investigation [FBI]
-L.[ouis]. Patrick Gray
-Leaks
-Mark W. Felt
-John N. Mitchell’s knowledge
-Felt
-Knowledge
-Leaks
-Source
-John D. Ehrlichman's knowledge
-Ehrlichman's possible conversation with Gray
-Felt
-Forthcoming Time article
-Jeb S. Magruder, Herbert L. (“Bart”) Porter
-G[eorge]. Gordon Liddy
-John W. Dean III
-Comment regarding FBI evidence
-Views regarding possible prosecutions
-Felt
-Tenure in office
-Role
-Motives
-George S. McGovern
-Eugene J. McCarthy
-Edward M. Kennedy
-Religion
-Catholic
-Jewish

1972 campaign
-McGovern
-Issues
-Taxes
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-Morality
-Question and answer events
-Telethons
-Negative reactions
-Welfare
-Amnesty
-Speech at Detroit Economic Club, October 18, 1972

The President's speeches
-Recent speech
-William L. Safire
-Raymond K. Price, Jr.
-Forthcoming radio address on the American Veteran
-Aram Bakshian

Speechwriting staff
-Bakshian
-The President’s view
-Amnesty
-Marriage to William E. Timmons's sister
-Bakshian, Lee W. Huebner, John K. Andrews, Jr.
-Price
-Role on White House staff
-Possible role in HEW
-Continuation of role as speechwriter
-Editing
-Editor
-Requirements
-John B. McDonald
-Nelson A. Rockefeller’s staff
-Safire, Patrick J. Buchanan
-Speechwriter
-Requirements
-Compared with editor
-Roland L. Elliott
-Bakshian
Watergate
-Leaks
-Felt
-Source
-Washington Post
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-[Edward Bennett?] Williams
-Unknown man
-Relationship with publication
-Jerrold L. Schecter
-Washington Post
-Experience
-Contact with man in Justice Department
-Leaks from FBI
-Justice Department official's conversation with Dean
-Richard G. Kleindienst, Gray
-FBI
-Leaks
-Watergate
-Goals of the President's enemies
-The President's statements re White House staff
-Dwight Chapin's role
-Liddy
-Washington Post story
-New York Times story
-Sources
-FBI
-Jeb Stuart Magruder, Porter
-Time Magazine
-Relationship
-University of Southern California
-Chapin
-Money for Liddy
-Edward L. Morgan's conversation with Ehrlichman
-Haldeman, John N. Mitchell, Ehrlichman
-Haldeman
-White House jobs of E. Howard Hunt, Jr. and Liddy
-Statements of Hunt and Liddy
-Haldeman's role
-Jack N. Anderson's column
-Morgan's view
-Mitchell
-Maurice H. Stans
-Possible statement
-Magruder, Porter
-Chapin
-Donald H. Segretti
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-Campaign practices
-Operations
-Mitchell
-Liddy
-Chapin
-Hunt

Manolo Sanchez entered at an unknown time after 1:48 pm.

Charles W. Colson's schedule

Sanchez left at an unknown time before 2:38 pm.

Watergate
-Schechter
-Timmons
-Reports
-Republican National Convention
-Source identification
-Time

1972 campaign
-Fort Wayne story
-Documentation
-Timing of possible release
-1972 election
-McGovern


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Charles Colson entered at 2:38 pm.

The President’s schedule
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-Union leaders
-Union relations
-Paul Hall
-The President’s view
-George Meany
-Previous indictments
-Gerald R. Ford
-Hall's conversation with Colson
-1968 campaign contributions
-Richard J. Daley
-Elwood \"Sonny\" Metz
-Indictment
-Connecticut
-Timing
-Misuse of union funds
-Bureaucracy
-Press conference
-Resignation
-Comment about the President
-Accusations
-San Francisco, Seattle, Baltimore
-New York
-Brooklyn, New Jersey
-Hall
-Organization
-Thomas W. (\"Teddy\") Gleason, Jesse M. Calhoon
-Martin J. Ward, John Bauer, Hunter P. Wharton, John Edwards,
John H.Lyons, [Unknown person], Thomas F. Murphy, Morris
Weisberger of San Francisco, Joseph T. Power, Joseph (“Joe T.”)
Trerotola, Jack [unknown last name]
-Wealth

1972 Campaign
-Fundraising
-Connally’s possible broadcast
-Stans
-Connally’s ability
-Haldeman’s view
-Clark MacGregor's efforts
-Democrats for Nixon
-Haldeman’s view
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-Leonard Marx
-Harry Cohen
-Democrats for Nixon
-Stans
-Marx
-Texas
-McGovern’s vote
-George P. Shultz
-Conversation with the President
-Press conference

National economy
-Inflation
-Consumer Price Index [CPI]
-Frank Stanton’s recent telephone call to Colson
-Gross National Product [GNP]

1972 campaign
-Issues
-McGovern’s defense budget
-John J. Rhodes’s view
-Telephone calls
-Washington Post editorial

The President's schedule
-Possible meeting with Shultz, Caspar W. (“Cap”) Weinberger
-Colson’s attendance
-Herbert Stein, Ehrlichman
-Camp David

1972 campaign
-Issues
-Public focus
-McGovern's welfare program
-Vietnam
-National defense
-Campaign practices
-Adolf Hitler reference
-Crime
-Drugs
-Connally
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-The President’s view
-Surrogates
-Timing
-Taxes
-Aid to parochial schools
-The President’s schedule
-Vietnam
-McGovern's forthcoming television [TV] broadcast
-Connally's forthcoming TV appearance

The President's schedule
-Revenue sharing signing ceremony
-Legislation
-Radio speeches
-Meeting
-October 21, 1972
-Connally’s forthcoming TV appearance
-McGovern’s forthcoming speech
-Briefing
-Vetoes
-News stories
-Tax increase
-Ehrlichman’s view
-The President’s view
-Taxes
-Possible message
-Spending ceiling
-HEW
-Vietnam War issue
-McGovern’s responses
-Kentucky
-New York
-Radio speech on education
-Possible radio speech
-Education
-Parochial schools
-Thursday statement
-Ehrlichman
-Black lung, strip mining
-Friday dinner
-Laurel Lodge
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-Subsequent meeting
-Ehrlichman
-Philadelphia

1972 campaign
-Congress
-Vetoes
-The President's conversations with Ronald L. Ziegler, Ehrlichman, and
Hall
-Herbert G. Klein’s statement on Presidential support
-Gil Carmichael
-James O. Eastland
-John L. McClellan
-Prospects
-Connecticut
-Hall
-George Meany
-Peter H. Dominick, Robert C. (“Bob”) Wilson, Robert J. Dole
-Kansas
-Unknown commentator
-The President's forthcoming trip to Chicago
-Roman C. Pucinski
-New York
-State Republicans
-Theme
-Stanton’s recent call to Stanton
-Hall
-Congress
-Ziegler's statement on accomplishments
-Baseball analogy
-Revenue sharing

Stanton’s recent call to Colson
-Columbia Broadcasting System [CBS]
-The President’s view
-Daniel L. Schorr
-Background check
-Federal Bureau of Investigation [FBI]


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White House public relations
-Vice President Spiro T. Agnew’s statements
-Vietnam
-Issues to be addressed by surrogates
-Vietnam
-Retreat
-Prisoners of War [POWs]
-McGovern's welfare proposal
-Taxes
-Busing, crime, drugs
-Busing
-Michigan
-Agnew

The President left at an unknown time after 2:38 pm.

Colson’s schedule
-Gleason’s request
-Sons of St. Patrick

The President entered at an unknown time before 4:09 pm.

`-McGovern’s allegations of corruption
-White House response
-Campaign practices
-Klein’s statement
-Donald H. Segretti’s activities
-McGovern's welfare proposal
-$1000 per person
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An unknown person entered and left at an unknown time before 4:09 pm.

The President's schedule
-Possible meeting with Ehrlichman
-The President’s view

Haldeman talked with the White House operator at an unknown time between 2:38 pm and 4:09
pm; The President and Colson conferred in the background.

[Conversation No. 370-9A]

[See Conversation No. 31-142]

Public statements
-Shultz, Ehrlichman
-Strategic Arms Limitation Talks [SALT] II
-Federal spending
-Shultz
-Ehrlichman
-Welfare

The President's schedule
-Camp David meeting, October 20, 1972

[End of telephone conversation]

The President’s schedule
-Camp David meeting, October 20, 1972
-Arrangements
-Laurel Lodge
-Colson's schedule
-Haldeman
-Gleason’s request
-New York
-John F. Kennedy award
-Sons of St. Patrick
-Arrangements
-Connally's and McGovern’s forthcoming TV broadcasts

1972 campaign
-Issues
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-Economy
-Welfare and taxes
-Vietnam
-POWs
-amnesty


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McGovern's state-by-state telethon
-News story
-Watergate
-Questions about welfare, amnesty, abortion, marijuana, Vietnam, school
busing
-McGovern’s tone
-Questions
-Technical problem
-Welfare
-Todd Harshman [?] of Shaker Heights, Ohio
-Inconsistencies on issues
-Amnesty, tax reform
-Amnesty
-R. Sargent Shriver
-Thomas P. Eagleton
-Range and cost
-Presentation of issues
-The Establishment
-Previous press conferences
-McGovern's staff
-Screening of questions
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1972 campaign issues
-Public trust
-The President compared to McGovern
-Corruption
-Watergate
-Buchanan’s and Lyndon K. (“Mort”) Allin’s staff
-Importance of events
-Issues
-McGovern
-Perception by voters
-Albert E. Sindlinger
-Credibility

An unknown person entered and left at an unknown time before 4:09 pm.

-Lyndon B. Johnson
-Barry M. Goldwater
-Public image
-Telethons
-Corruption
-Economic issues
-McGovern's strategy
-Democratic Party base
-Watergate
-Public interest
-George C. Wallace
-Watergate
-Effect on the President's campaign staff activities
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-Possible White House response by to allegations
-Ziegler’s statements
-MacGregor
-Leonard W. Hall
-Agnew
-McGovern’s issues
-Economic issues
-Vietnam
-McGovern’s criticism of the President
-Economic issues
-Food prices, corporate taxes
-McGovern’s forthcoming TV broadcasts
-Moral crisis
-Corruption
-Vietnam
-Reaction to McGovern's policies
-James B. (“Scotty”) Reston
-New York Times
-New Republic
-McGover’s position papers
-Henry A. Kissinger
-Negotiations
-Saigon
-McGovern’s statement
-News value
-News value
-McGovern’s radical support
-Gary Hart
-Unknown person’s recommendation to the President
-Volunteers
-Spokane, Des Moines, Ames, Iowa
-McGovern's efforts
-Lack of focus
-Vietnam
-Corruption
-Economic issue
-Taxes, food prices
-Administration response
-Vietnam, national defense, bipartisan foreign policy
-Welfare
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The President's foreign policy
-The Soviet Union
-Trade treaty with US
-Congress
-Timing
-Pravda
-Comments about the President
-Watergate
-Gleason’s conversation with Colson
-Trust in the President
-Soviet Union
-Vietnam
-The President’s conversation with Leonid I. Brezhnev
-McGovern

Colson left at 4:09 pm.

Manolo Sanchez entered at 4:09 pm.

The President's schedule
-Residence
-Oval Office
-Residence
-Abraham Lincoln Sitting Room

Sanchez left at an unknown time before 4:15 pm.

The President's schedule
-Meeting Gen. William C. Westmoreland
-New York, Camp David
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-Philadelphia
-Westmoreland meeting
-Purpose
-Haig
-Philadelphia
-Use of helicopter as compared with Air Force One
-Westmoreland
-Shultz
-Driving
-Revenue sharing ceremony
-The President’s previous drive from North Berkeley [California]
to Indianapolis
-Previous visit to Samuel Goldwyn’s house


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Vietnam settlement
-Possible effect on forthcoming election
-Possible scenarios
-Settlement
-Gen. Nguyen Van Thieu
-Assassination
-North Vietnamese victory
-Effect on McGovern and public
-Compared John F. Kennedy and the Bay of Pigs

Haldeman left at 4:15 pm.