478–7

Conversation No. 478-7

Date: April 13, 1971
Time: Unknown between 11:17 am and 12:18 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman

President’s conversation with Charles W. Colson

Henry A. Kissinger and John A. Scali entered at 11:19 am; the White House photographer was
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present at the beginning of the meeting

Scali on payroll

Photograph

Scali’s assignment
-Orientation
-Difficulties
-First weeks
-Contribution
-Long-term
-Differences from previous career
-Senior consultant
-Ronald L. Ziegler
-Taking initiative
-Colson
-Responsibilities
-Herbert G. Klein
-Staff meetings
-Outgoing matters versus internal ones
-Decision making
-Foreign policy
-Kissinger
-Peter G. Peterson
-International economic policy
-Speeches
-Kissinger
-Relationship with
-Kissinger
-Importance
-Responsibilities
-Television commentators
-John W. Chancellor
-Priorities
-Networks
-Wire services
-Radio
-Columnists
-Magazines
-Networks
-Importance
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-Wire services
-Columnists
-Stewart M. Hensley
-Arthur P. Henderson
-Hensley

Scali’s assignment
-Analysis of television industry Conv. No. 478-7 (cont.)
-Kissinger
-Klein

President’s People’s Republic of China [PRC] initiative
-Scali
-Background
-Press corps
-State Department
-Announcements
-Timing
-State Department
-Foreign Service
-Kremlinologists
-Charles E. (“Chip”) Bohlen
-Llewellyn E. (“Tommy”) Thompson, Jr.
-William P. Rogers
-Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [USSR]
-State Department
-USSR
-Aleksei N. Kosygin
-US policy
-Ping-pong team
-Forthcoming announcement [Relaxation of trade and travel restrictions with the
PRC, April 14, 1971]
-Publicity
-Dangers
-USSR
-Ping-pong team
-US goals
-Benefits
-Announcement, April 14, 1971
-Ping-pong team
-US relations
-Thaw
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-Warsaw
-Chinese
-Compared to Soviets
-USSR
-Ping-pong team
-Anatoliy F. Dobrynin
-Announcement
-State Department Conv. No. 478-7 (cont.)
-President’s Position
-Rogers
-President’s initiative
-National Security Council [NSC]
-President’s 1969 world trip
-Dangers
-NSC
-Critical areas
-Sensitivity
-Scali’s recommendations
-Ping-pong team
-President’s image
-Demonstrators
-Vietnam
-Farsightedness
-President’s schedule
-Visit to San Diego
-Camp Pendleton
-Timing
-Demonstrations


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FOREIGN VISIT


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-Timing
-News stories

Kissinger’s schedule
-Scali’s briefing Conv. No. 478-7 (cont.)
-Peterson

President’s schedule
-Camp Pendleton visit

Scali’s role
-Advocacy
-Preparation for Ziegler’s briefings
-Benefits
-Announcement of relaxation of PRC trade and travel restrictions
-Walter L. Cronkite, Jr.
-Wire
-Television
-Framework
-Possible changes
-Atmosphere
-Access to President
-Possible use
-Consultant
-Possibilities
-Speech
-Television
-Problem
-Kissinger
-State Department
-State/Defense Department
-Ziegler
-Robert J. McCloskey
-Coordination
-Haldeman
-Need to study problems
-Timing
-Pressure
-Value
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-Ideas
-Raymond K. Price, Jr.
-William L. Safire
-Klein
-Richard A. Moore
-Location
-Ziegler
-Colson Conv. No. 478-7 (cont.)
-Moore
-Price
-Safire
-Relationship with Kissinger


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Scali’s role
-Summary
-Emotions
-Issues
-Publicity
-Carl M. Yastrzemski
-Goals
-News stories
-Foreign policy
-PRC initiative
-Significance
-Press
-Credit for Administration
-Vietnam
-Relation to PRC initiative
-Issues
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-PRC
-US initiatives

Scali’s office
-Location
-Executive Office Building

Scali and Haldeman left at 11:46 am Conv. No. 478-7 (cont.)
Henry Cabot Lodge

Scali
-Forthcoming Kissinger briefing
-Summit meeting
-Need for confidentiality
-Haldeman
-George P. Shultz
-John D. Ehrlichman
-Dobrynin
-Schedule
-Strategic Arms Limitation Talks [SALT] negotiations
-Need for confidentiality
-PRC

US/USSR relations
-Kissinger’s meeting with Dobrynin’s replacement
-Berlin
-[David] Kenneth Rush’s meeting with Pyotr A. Abrassimov
-Timing
-Arrangements

Lodge


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THE VATICAN
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-General Nguyen Van Thieu
-Lieutenant General Duong Van (“Big Minh”) Minh Conv. No. 478-7 (cont.)
-Forthcoming trip to Vietnam
-Health
-Beverly, Massachusetts
-New York establishment
-New England upper class
-Harvard University
-Cambridge, Massachusetts

Eastern establishment
-Barry M. Goldwater
-Opinion
-Boston

Vietnam


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[Duration: 14s ]


THE VATICAN


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-PRC/USSR relations
-North Vietnam
-Negotiations
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-Hanoi


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 12
[National Security]
[Duration: 2m 41s ] Conv. No. 478-7 (cont.)


THE VATICAN


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PRC/Taiwan
-Lodge’s view regarding US/Japanese initiative
-United Nations [UN] representation
-State Department
-Sponsorship
-Dual representation
-US policy
-John B. Connally’s views


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[Duration: 56s ]


PRC


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Japan
-Textiles
-Eisaku Sato
-Armin H. Meyer

Peterson’s trip to Far East
-David M. Kennedy Conv. No. 478-7 (cont.)
-Marshall Green
-Taiwan
-Korea

Korea
-William J. Porter
-Assignment
-Green

State Department
-William H. Sullivan
-Reorganization
-Scope
-Assistant secretaries
-Resignations
-Replacements
-Promotions
-Secretary

Cabinet
-Resignations
-Melvin R. Laird
-Rogers
-Career aspirations
-John N. Mitchell
-Martha (Beall) Mitchell
-Maurice H. Stans
-George W. Romney
-John A. Volpe
-James D. Hodgson
-Shultz
-Elliot L. Richardson
-State Department
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State Department
-Nelson A. Rockefeller
-Richardson
-Qualifications
-Career
-Conditions
-Resignations
Conv. No. 478-7 (cont.)
Defense Department
-Resignations
-David Packard

President’s second term
-Changes in government
-First term

Vietnam
-Kissinger’s conversation with Frank F. Mankiewicz
-Democrats
-Hubert H. Humphrey
-Robert F. (“Bobby”) Kennedy
-Troop levels
-Kissinger’s call from McGeorge Bundy
-USSR
-Kissinger’s response to Bundy
-Moral issue
-Deadline for withdrawal
-Negotiations
-Issue
-Withdrawal
-North Vietnam
-Deadline for withdrawal
-US options
-Cease fire
-Deadline
-Bombing
-Withdrawal
-Bombing
-Prisoners of War [POWs]
-Cease fire
-Residual forces
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-Bombing
-USSR

USSR
-Summit

Vietnam
-Bombing Conv. No. 478-7 (cont.)

Bundy
-Telephone calls to and from Kissinger
-Career

Secretaries of State
-President’s conversation with Charles G. (“Bebe”) Rebozo, 1967
-Dean G. Acheson
-John Foster Dulles
-Bundy
-James B. (“Scotty”) Reston
-1960 recommendation

Bundy
-Career
-Qualifications
-Harvard University
-Haldeman
-Shultz
-Liberal position
-William P. Bundy
-Call to Kissinger regarding Vietnam

Vietnam
-Mankiewicz’s views
-Bundy’s defense of administration’s Southeast Asia policy
-Bombing
-Robert S. McNamara
-Compared with Bundy
-Mankiewicz’s views
-Liberal

Press
-Time
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-Ziegler
-Newsweek
-Hugh S. Sidey

Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 11:46 am

President’s schedule
-Ziegler Conv. No. 478-7 (cont.)

Bull left at an unknown time before 12:16 pm

Press
-Phone calls to Kissinger
-Ziegler

PRC
-Press
-US initiatives
-Timing
-President’s position
-USSR
-US relations
-Vietnam
-North Vietnam
-Chou En-lai’s visit to Hanoi
-General Alexander M. Haig, Jr.
-Negotiations

Bull entered at an unknown time after 11:46 am

Ziegler’s schedule
-Location
-Cabinet briefing

Bull left at an unknown time before 12:16 pm

PRC
-Intervention
-Laos
-Cambodia
-Administration’s position
-State Department
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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 9
[National Security]
[Duration: 5s ]
Conv. No. 478-7 (cont.)

FOREIGN AFFAIRS


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-North Vietnam

Press

Vietnam
-Bundy’s reaction
-Mankiewicz
-Reaction to Lieutenant William L. Calley, Jr.
-Calley case
-President’s role
-George C. Wallace
-Ronald W. Reagan

1972 elections
-President’s re-election
-Foreign policy
-Economy
-Research and Development [RAND] Corporation Board

Stock market
-Rise
-Howard Stein

Vietnam
-Kissinger’s possible conversation with Stein
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-President’s speech on Southeast Asia, April 7, 1971
-Press reaction
-Structure
-Emotion
-Congress
-President’s speech, April 7, 1971
-Impact
-Compared with President’s November 3, 1969 speech Conv. No. 478-7 (cont.)
-Withdrawal issue
-Resignation
-Possible consequences of a loss of Vietnam
-Public reaction
-Casualties
-Calley
-Negotiations
-Settlement

USSR
-Summit meeting
-SALT negotiations
-Summit meeting
-Leonid I. Brezhnev
-USSR/US relations
-Brezhnev’s position
-Summit meeting
-Possible trip to Moscow by President
-Attitude of Russians toward Americans
-Symbolism
-SALT negotiations
-Non-aggression pact
-Dobrynin


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FOREIGN AFFAIRS

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-European Security Conference
-Negotiations
-US policy
Conv. No. 478-7 (cont.)
President’s re-election
-Importance
-Connally
-Tenure
-Qualifications
-Richardson
-Connally
-Richardson
-Cabinet
-Connally
-Qualifications

Bull and an unknown man entered at an unknown time after 11:46 am

President’s schedule
-Ziegler
-Yastrzemski
-Press

Kissinger left at 12:16 pm

-Wire service
-Open Door Hour

Bull and the unknown man left at an unknown time before 12:18 pm

Manolo Sanchez entered at an unknown time after 12:16 pm

Unknown activity

Sanchez left at an unknown time before 12:18 pm
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