652–13

Conversation No. 652-13

Date: January 20, 1972
Time: 4:52 pm - 5:59 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Terence Cardinal Cooke, Theodore E. McCarrick, Peter M. Flanigan and
Alexander M. Haig, Jr.; Stephen B. Bull, the White House photographer, and members of the
press were present at the beginning of the meeting.

Greetings

The President’s schedule

Cooke’s return from trip to Vietnam
-Servicemen
-Haig’s question to Cooke
-Morale

An unknown person entered at an unknown time after 4:52 pm.

Refreshment

The unknown person left at an unknown time before 5:22 pm.

The President’s State of the Union Address
-Cooke’s watching on television

The President’s schedule
-Cabinet meeting
-Cooke’s activity during meeting

[General conversation]
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[Photograph session]

The White House photographer and the press left at an unknown time after 4:52 pm.

Cooke’s trip to Vietnam
-Unknown bishop
-Travel to Greenland, Iceland and Europe
-US armed forces
-Drugs
-Situation
-Prevention, education, treatment
-Incoming troops
-Da Nang
-Compared to other areas
-Morale
-Troop withdrawal
-Gen. Creighton W. Abrams, Jr.’s report to Cooke
-Commanders
-Concern
-General [Forename] McDonough [sp?]
-Da Nang
-Defensive action
-Explanation to troops
-Compared to earlier tone
-Peace time forces
-Korea
-Japan
-Western Europe
-US bases
-Pride in duty
-Compared with rear area service in World War II
-The President’s experience
-Noumea
-Guadalcanal
-South Vietnamese
-Morale
-Farming, housing
-New schools, seminary buildings
-Da Nang
-Hospitals
-Pacification
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-Effects
-Publicity
-Military forces
-Harvest
-Land reform
-Building
-Schools, stores, roads
-Vietnamization
-Term
-Connotation
-Military
-Troop withdrawal
-Melvin R. Laird
-Public response
-Greek-Turkish aid program
-Marshall Plan
-Alliance for progress
-South and North Vietnamese development
-Self-help
-“Partnership for development”
-Rice surplus
-South Vietnamese population
-Vietcong
-US, South Vietnamese casualties
-Decline
-South Vietnamese army
-Forthcoming offensive by North Vietnam
-Handling
-Prospects
-Nature of wars
-Retreating
-Battle at Tannenberg
-Book by Winston S. Churchill
-Russians
-L’vov
-German retreat
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-Effect on Russians
-Prisoners
-Battle of the Bulge
-Gen. George S. Patton, Jr.
-Pincher movement

Vietnam
-Statement by Catholic Bishops
-End of war
-Justness of wars
-Useful purpose of Vietnam war
-Peace
-Aid to South Vietnam
-Number of North Vietnamese in Laos, Cambodia and
South Vietnam
-1954 accords
-Self defense
-Justness of wars
-Self defense
-South Vietnamese survival
-US support
-1954 events
-Bishop of Da Nang
-Civilian casualties
-Starvation
-Possible casualties
-US withdrawal
-Peace
-Avoiding South Vietnamese casualties
-Catholics
-Conduct of war
-The President’s view
-Statement by Catholic Bishops
-Cooke’s position
-Minority opinion
-US unilateral withdrawal
-Cooke’s editing
-Immorality of war
-Possible impact on US troops
-Consistency with US policy
-Treatment by press
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-Compared with actual statement
-The President’s reading
-Francis Cardinal Spellman
-Minority opinion
-Press treatment
-Compared with Quakers’ response
-Support of the President’s policies
-Cooke’s conversation with unknown men

Cooke’s speech
-Rose Mary Woods’s assessment

Richard E. Berlin
-Health
-Roosevelt Hospital
-Media report, January 19, 1972
-Religion
-Invitation to Readers’ Digest dinner, January 28, 1972
-Location

[The President talked with the White House operator at an unknown time between 4:52 pm and
5:22 pm.]

[Conversation No. 652-13A]

[See Conversation No. 19-35]

The President conferred with Cooke during the telephone conversation.

Berlin’s location

[End of conferral]

[End of telephone conversation]

White House operator

Berlin
-Admiration for the President
-Muriel (“Honey”) (Johnson) Berlin
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Vietnam
-Forthcoming developments
-End of war in 1972
-US involvement
-Prisoners of war [POWs]
-US withdrawals
-US aid to South Vietnam
-Cooke’s trip
-Stop in Bethlehem
-“Generation of peace”
-Mass for peace
-Cooke’s previous visits
-The President’s travels
-Mass for peace
-“Shepherd’s Field”
-Remembrance of the President

People’s Republic of China [PRC]
-The President’s forthcoming trip
-Henry A. Kissinger’s briefing of Cooke
-Instructions to Haig
-Population
-Catholic missionaries
-Captivity
-Bishop James E. Walsh

The President’s forthcoming trip to Soviet Union
-Briefing of Cooke

State of the Union Address
-The President’s foreign trips and relations
-Differences
-Hopes for peace

Cooke’s talk with Soviet Friends in New York
-Communists
-The President’s foreign trips

[The White House operator talked with the President at 5:22 pm.]

[Conversation No. 652-13B]
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[See Conversation No. 19-36]

[End of telephone conversation]

Berlin
-Forthcoming conversation with Cooke
-The President’s attempted call

India
-Cooke’s visit to Calcutta
-Refugees
-Relief work by voluntary agencies
-US aid
-Humanitarian efforts
-United Nations [UN]
-Catholic efforts
-Pakistan

Parochial schools
-Rate of closings
-Prospects
-Government assistance
-Presidential commission [President’s Committee on School Finance]
-Forthcoming report
-Administration plan
-Tax credit
-Supreme Court decision
-Child benefits
-Direct subsidy
-Tax credit
-Benefit to public and parochial schools
-Legislation
-Flanigan’s possible conversation with John B. Connally
-Property tax substitute
-Justice Department view
-Bishops’ view
-Constitutionality
-Government assistance
-Legislation
-Flanigan’s possible talks with Connally and John D. Ehrlichman
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-Congressional schedule
-Tax Bill
-Revenue sharing
-Health program
-Ways and Means Committee
-Tax Bill
-Neil H. McElroy Committee [President’s Committee on School Finance]
report
-Connally
-Talk with Flanigan
-Meeting with Cooke
-Need for support
-The President’s policy
-Connally
-Relation with Cooke
-Schedule
-Meeting
-Publicity
-Speech in New York City to conference board
-Cooke’s home
-Need for public confidence
-Legislation
-Prospects for educational pluralism
-Government assistance
-Connally
-Schedule
-Forthcoming Cabinet dinner
-Possible conversation with the President
-New York City
-Meeting with Cooke
-International monetary matters
-Standing in Cabinet
-School closing rate
-Educational pluralism
-Public education
-National Education Association [NEA]
-Values
-Schools in foreign countries
-The President’s visits
-PRC
-Soviet Union
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-Romania
-Hungary
-Poland
-Czechoslovakia
-Public education
-State control
-Government assistance
-Inflation
-Character compared to intelligence
-Arrogance, pride
-Legislation
-Timing
-Flanigan’s comment
-Justice Department
-Supreme Court
-William H. Rehnquist
-Position

The President’s schedule
-Meeting with William C. Westmoreland

Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 5:22 pm.

-Request that Westmoreland join them
-Kissinger’s schedule

Bull left at an unknown time before 5:38 pm.

The President’s schedule

State of the Union Address
-Reaction

The President’s health
-Predecessors

William Westmoreland entered at 5:38 pm.

Greetings

Introduction
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Vietnam
-Armed forces
-Morale
-Cooke’s talks with troops
-Families at home
-Societal problems
-Education by military

Westmoreland
-Forthcoming trip to Indonesia

Cooke’s forthcoming meeting with Connally

[General conversation]

The President’s schedule
-Trip to PRC
-Future meeting with Cooke

Cooke, McCarrick and Flanigan left and Melvin R. Laird entered at 5:40 pm.

Harold O. Lovre
-Funeral
-Chowder and Marching Club
-Formerly Representative from South Dakota
-Home
-Funeral
-Cabinet meeting
-Laird
-Rogers C. B. Morton
-The President’s wreath
-Recent health
-Laird’s recent meeting
-Cancer
-Recent party

Indonesia
-Westmoreland’s talk with Haig
-The President’s letter
-Lt. Gen. TNJ Suharto
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-Forthcoming conversation with Westmoreland
-Francis J. Galbraith
-Economic assistance
-State department policy
-Marshall Green
-Former ambassadors
-Military security program
-Suharto
-US support
-Geography
-Population
-Agriculture
-Rice
-Nixon Doctrine
-Aid program
-Size
-Congress
-Westmoreland trip
-US policy in Southeast Asia
-Vietnam
-US interest and presence
-The President’s trip to PRC
-US policy
-Population and resources
-Compared with Southeast Asia, Thailand
-Vietnam
-Soviets
-US aid
-Congress
-Aid to other nations
-Cambodia
-Consortium
-Connally’s previous trip
-US aid
-India
-Military aid
-Military
-Communism
-Training
-Importance
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US military influence
-International sales
-Laird’s possible conversation with Joint Chiefs of Staff [JCS]
-Latin America
-French sales
-Training
-Peru
-Chile
-Salvador Allende Gossens
-US policy
-JCS
-J. William Fulbright
-Michael J. Mansfield
-Frank F. Church
-Arms
-Civilian compared to military regimes
-Yugoslavia
-Reorganization of Communist Party
-Latin America
-Military attaches
-Function
-Lt. Gen. Vernon A. Walters
-Brazil
-Relationship with the President
-Venezuela
-Commander of army
-Visit with Westmoreland
-Latin America
-Trade
-France
-Oil
-US purchases
-France
-Bolivia
-President [Hugo Banzer-Suarez]
-Relations with Westmoreland
-Military assistance
-Rate of delivery
-Relations with US
-Latin American aid
-Limitations
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-Fulbright and Church
-Non-military uses
-Education
-Soviet Union
-MIGs
-India
-Economic compared to military
-Soviet Union
-Military aid
-Political problems
-Military regimes
-Congress
-Unknown person
-Military sales
-India
-US compared to Soviet equipment
-Congressional limitations
-Effect on Nixon Doctrine
-Paper from Laird
-Delivery to the President through Haig
-National Security Council [NSC]
-State Department
-William P. Rogers
-Senate Foreign Relations Committee

Forthcoming Cabinet dinner
-Laird’s presence

State of the Union Address
-Westmoreland’s presence

Indonesia
-Westmoreland’s trip
-The President’s view
-Population
-Wealth
-Westmoreland’s trip
-Suharto
-[Unintelligible name]
-Vietnam
-Cambodia
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-Phnom Penh
-Vietnam
-Military prospects
-Nguyen Van Thieu
-Cambodia
-Gen. Lon Nol
-Udorn
-C. McMurtrie Godley
-The President’s trip to PRC

Haig, et al. left at 5:59 pm.