661–9

Conversation No. 661-9

Date: January 31, 1972
Time: 4:04 pm - 5:05 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President talked with Stewart B. McKinney.

[Conversation No. 661-9A]

[See Conversation No. 20-9]

John D. Ehrlichman entered at 4:05 pm.

Ronald L. Ziegler entered at 4:06 pm.

[End of telephone conversation]

Press relations
-Representation on People’s Republic of China [PRC] trip
-Joseph C. Kraft, William F. Buckley, Jr.
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-Telephone calls from Henry A. Kissinger
-Ziegler
-Conservatives, liberals
-Timing
-Announcement of the President’s telephone call to Abraham A. Ribicoff
-Elliot L. Richardson
-Ehrlichman
-Russell B. Long
-The President’s support for welfare reform
-The President talks with Long and Wallace F. Bennett
-Need for common ground
-Ehrlichman
-Richardson

Ziegler left at 4:10 pm.

Welfare reform
-The President’s previous telephone call to Ribicoff
-Content
-Reference to working paper
-Ribicoff amendments
-Elderly
-Ehrlichman’s forthcoming telephone call to Ribicoff
-Status of welfare reform bill
-Ribicoff view
-House Resolution [HR] 1
-Senate
-Testing
-Medicare, Medicaid
-Drawbacks of bill
-Daniel P. (“Pat”) Moynihan
-Richardson
-Size of welfare rolls
-Medicare
-Medicaid

Mall renovation
-Picture of model
-Lincoln Memorial
-Reflecting Pool
-Proposed facilities
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-Dining, shopping
-Pool
-Parking
-Trains
-Boats, canals, lakes
-Ampitheatre
-Children’s park
-Lake
-Cost
-Finishing date
-Bicentennial
-Benefits
-Museums
-Needs of visitors
-Restrooms
-Food
-Night activities
-Thelma C. (“Pat”) Nixon
-Rogers C.B. Morton
-Visit to see model
-Possible ideas
-Model
-Confidentiality
-Interior Department
-Architect
-Morton’s view
-Congress
-Capital Planning Commission
-Highway plan
-Spending
-Needs
-Tourism
-Concessions
-Types
-Food services
-Family orientation
-J. Willard Marriott
-Transportation
-Lake size and depth
-Other uses
-Exhibits
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-Japanese art
-Nathaniel A. Owings
-Plans

Environment
-The President’s conversation with Laurance S. Rockefeller
-Julie Nixon Eisenhower as salesperson
-New York
-Houston
-Florida
-Proposed conference
-Location
-Camp David
-San Clemente
-Russell E. Train
-William D. Ruckelshaus role
-Rockefeller’s associates
-Gala to focus attention
-Options
-Camp David constructions
-Laurel
-Open house
-Problems
-Press
-San Clemente
-Key Biscayne
-San Clemente
-Benefits
-San Francisco park at Point Reyes
-Possible visit by the President
-Quality
-Possible meeting
-Daniel L. Schorr job
-Attendance
-Timing
-Moscow trip
-Location
-San Clemente
-Patio
-Air Force One trip to Point Reyes
-Television use
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-Documentary
-Compared to comments by President
-Train role
-Ruckelshaus role
-Rockefeller role
-Mrs. Nixon, Tricia Nixon Cox and Julie Nixon Eisenhower role
-The President’s schedule
-California
-Camp David
-Benefits
-Camp Hoover
-Press
-Centennial of national park system
-Morton’s view of the President’s schedule
-Morton
-Forthcoming talk with Ehrlichman
-Rockefeller’s role
-Environmentalists in attendance
-Republicans
-Edmund S. Muskie’s supporters
-Environmental accomplishments
-Parks for the people
-Public relations
-Unknown person
-William L. Safire

Mall renovation
-Likeness to Tivoli Gardens
-Environmentalists’ view
-Grass removal
-Underground parking
-Effect on watertable
-Peripheral parking
-Trams
-Mrs. Nixon
-Viewing of mall model
-Decision on original model
-Viewing of mall model
-The President
-Owings
-Need for necessities
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-Restroom, facilities
-Old world
-Disneyland [and Disneyworld]
-Facilities
-Miami Beach
-Jews
-Charles G. (“Bebe”) Rebozo view

Modern entertainment
-Children
-Old entertainment
-Amos n’ Andy
-Fred Allen
-State of television
-The President’s viewing habits
-News shows
-Reading
-Television specials
-Camp David
-Television compared to reading

Ehrlichman’s reading
-Zimmerman Telegram
-[Thomas] Woodrow Wilson
-Barbara Tuchman
-Henry A. Kissinger
-Wilson

Wilson’s foreign policy
-Mexico
-Francisco (“Pancho”) Villa
-Winston Churchill description in the Search for World Order
-Versailles
-Wilson’s political experience
-Compared to British politicians
-Irony
-Record
-World War I
-British casualties, March 21, 1918
-Effort at mediation
-Lack of realism
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-Henry Cabot Lodge
-Theodore Roosevelt
-League of Nations
-Congressional fights
-Partisanship
-Republicans
-Wilson speeches
-First inaugural address
-Wilson writings
-Fourteen points
-Speeches

The President’s speeches
-Quality
-Press
-Inaugural address
-The President’s Vietnam peace proposal speech, January 25, 1972
-Preparation
-November 3, 1969 speech
-State of the Union address, 1970, 1972
-Eloquence
-Written compared to spoken word
-Abraham Lincoln
-Gettysburg address
-Second inaugural address
-Speechwriters
-Douglas L. Hallett
-Raymond K. Price, Jr.
-Patrick J. Buchanan
-Radio speeches
-Price
-Time to prepare
-The President’s efforts at writing
-Cambodia
-Vietnam
-Time consumed
-Effect
-Inaugural address
-Value compared to time consumed in preparation
-Effect
-Toasts
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-Extemporaneous talks
-The President’s talk to Cabinet
-Abraham Lincoln
-Congress
-Repetition of speeches
-Lincoln’s A House Divided speech
-Cross of Gold speech by William Jennings Bryan
-Congressman or Senate
-Compared to presidential candidate
-Stump speech

Narcotics appointment
-Myles J. Ambrose
-Prospects for success
-Local police problems
-Corruption
-Resentment of federal officials
-Overall benefit

Law enforcement
-Changing of Earl Warren court
-Effect
-Restoration of balance
-Changes
-Process
-Average person’s desires
-Federal role
-Effect on urban areas

Busing
-Constitutional amendment
-Ehrlichman trip to Camp David
-Complications
-Timing
-Previous Supreme Court decisions
-Hearings
-Timing
-John N. Mitchell
-Elliot L. Richardson
-Vernon E. Jordan, Jr. view
-Urban League
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-Communications with Ehrlichman
-Welfare reform testimony
-View of allies


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John B. Connally
-Health
-Telephone call to Ehrlichman
-Classification meeting
-Governors’ meeting
-Property tax
-Briefing

Aid to private schools
-Amendment
-Tax credits
-Neil H. McElroy Commission
-Use by administration
-Politics
-Briefings
-Administration line
-Possible solutions
-Effect on taxes
-Burden shift
-Value added tax [VAT]
-Opponents
-Public relations
-Use by administration
-Briefings, panels, national publicity
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-Congressional votes
-Muskie’s advisory commission
-Use

Congressional relations
-State of the Union address
-Administration program
-Defense
-Need for identify
-L. Richard Guylay
-Congressional action record
-Wilson’s accomplishments
-Federal Reserve system
-House Republican meeting
-George P. Shultz
-Upcoming Senate meeting
-Contact between the White House and Congressional staff
-Perception
-House Administrative Assistants meeting
-Briefings
-Subcabinet and wives
-Congressional wives
-Lincoln Day recess
-Handouts
-Details
-Goals of administration
-Economy
-John F. Kennedy handouts in 1960
-Issues
-Effect
-Six goals of administration
-Topics
-Environment, health
-Details
-Telephone call to Ribicoff
-Telephone call to George H. Mahon

Ehrlichman left at 5:05 pm.
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