691–7

Conversation No. 691-7

Date: March 21, 1972
Time: 5:48 pm - 7:00 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Raymond P. Shafer, John D. Ehrlichman and Egil (“Bud”) Krogh, Jr.

Greetings

The President’s schedule
-Arms control
-[Nihat Erim, Manea Manescu]

Shafer’s report
-Vietnam
-Copies
-Marijuana

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Oliver F. (“Ollie”) Atkins

The unknown man left at an unknown time before 6:21 pm.

Marijuana
-Schools of thought
-Users and non-users of marijuana
-Objectivity
-President’s Commission on Marijuana report
-Research
-Harold E. Hughes
-Jacob K. Javits
-Tim Lee Carter
-Paul G. Rogers
-Mitchell Ware

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-Legalization
-Discouragement policy
-Youth
-Differences from other drugs
-Heroin
-Cocaine
-Amphetamines
-Barbituates
-Hallucinogens
-Volatile solvents
-Symbolism
-User
-Education and discouragement
-Responsibility
-Family
-Church
-Medical profession
-Police
-Efforts to arrest drug dealers
-Commission news conference
-Commission's report presented to the President
-The President’s approval
-Ehrlichman
-Dr. Jerome H. Jaffe
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-Members of the Commission
-Dr. Dana L. Farnsworth
-Maurice H. Seevers
-Southern Methodist University [SMU]
-Charles O. Galvin
-John A. Howard
-Rockford College
-Congressional members
-Javits
-Hughes
-Legalization
-Alcohol model
-Shafer’s public statements
-Columbia Broadcasting System [CBS]
-Penalties
-Decriminalization of possession
-Supply
-Children
-Arrest and prosecution
-Penalties
-Spain and Greece
-Family and Church
-India
-Morocco
-Hashish
-Press
-Legalization
-Shafer’s previous appearance on CBS
-Comparison to Prohibition
-Decriminalization of possession
-Commission report
-Javits
-Ware
-Howard
-John F. Cooney
-Legalization
-Proposals
-Review
-Scientific studies
-Department of Health, Education and Welfare [HEW]
-American Bar Association [ABA]
-American Medical Association [AMA]
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-Potential harm
-Penalties for drug dealers
-Heroin
-Physical addiction
-Compared to marijuana
-1937 statute
-Myths
-Youth
-Jerry Rubin
-Crime
-Myth
-Shafer’s view
-Private personal possession
-Public
-Criminal act
-Influence of marijuana
-Compared to alcohol
-Effect on nation
-Youth
-Experience
-Compared to hashish
-India and Malaysia
-Cooking
-Marijuana
-Forthcoming press conference
-Shafer
-Opposition to legalization of marijuana
-Commission report
-The President

Bull entered at an unknown time after 5:48 pm.

The President's schedule

Bull left at an unknown time before 6:21 pm.

Marijuana
-Press conference
-Commission report
-Legalization of marijuana
-Recommendations
-The President’s position
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-Submission of report
-Democratic presidential candidates
-George S. McGovern
-Edmund S. Muskie
-Henry M. (“Scoop”) Jackson
-George C. Wallace
-John V. Lindsay
-McGovern
-Humphrey
-Busing issue
-Change in position
-Muskie
-Segregation
-Elderly


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Presidential gifts
-Paperweight

Soviet trip

Shafer's
-Forthcoming talk with Ehrlichman
-Future meeting with the President

Marijuana Commission
-Report
-The President's endorsement

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Shafer’s schedule
-Secretary

Shafer, Krogh and Bull left at 6:21 pm.

International Telephone and Telegraph [ITT]
-Document
-Federal Bureau of Investigation [FBI]
-J. Edgar Hoover
-Examination
-ITT experts
-The President's forthcoming talk with Hoover
-Ehrlichman's forthcoming call to Hoover
-Cooperation
-Ehrlichman's possible meeting with Hoover
-Examination of ITT document
-ITT experts
-Possession of the FBI
-L. Patrick Gray, III
-The President's note to Hoover
-Use of telephone
-Jack N. Anderson

Shafer [?]

The President’s schedule
-[Erim]

[No conversation]

Dorothy Kirsten
-State Dinners
-Dwight D. Eisenhower

[No conversation]

The President's schedule
-Church services [?]
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State dinner
-Guest lists

[No conversation]

World War I
-Turkey
-Gallippoli
-Mustafa Kemal Ataturk
-Winston S. Churchill
-Allies
-Erim's statement

Shafer Commission
-Report
-Ehrlichman’s view
-Carter
-Howard
-Legalization of the use of marijuana
-Public compared to private use
-Ehrlichman and Krogh
-Shafer
-The President's forthcoming press conference
-Legalization issue
-Youth
-H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman


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-Ehrlichman's children
-Use of marijuana
-Ehrlichman's speech before the Harvard Club
-Question from youth
-Legalization
-The President
-Drug users compared to non users
-Applause
-Compared to alcohol
-The President
-The People's Republic of China [PRC]
-Happy compared to unhappy people
-Addiction
-Cure
-Legalization issue
-Jaffe
-Krogh
-Jaffe
-ABA
-Edward Bennett Williams
-Heroin maintenance
-Krogh
-Talk with Ehrlichman
-The President
-The report
-Evidence
-Scientific

Ehrlichman’s schedule

Busing
-Humphrey's view
-Change
-The President's television address, March 16, 1972

Humphrey
-Change in positions
-Press reaction
-Vietnam
-War
-Crime
-Civil rights
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-Welfare
-Florida
-Plan for elderly Jews

The President's busing speech
-Edward M. Kennedy's view
-Staff
-Equal educational opportunity
-Blacks
-Liberals
-Compassion
-The President's previous statement, March 24, 1970
-Blacks
-Raymond K. Price, Jr.
-Minority businesses
-Television
-Children
-Liberals
-The President’s previous trip to New York City
-Interaction with black government employees
-James E. Cheek
-President of Howard University
-Letter to the President
-As issue
-Constitutionality
-Congress
-Remedy compared to right
-Desegregation
-Legislation
-Administration blacks
-Efforts with editorial boards and television
-Harry S. Dent
-Edward L. Morgan
-Kenneth W. Clawson
-South
-Texas
-News summary
-Lyndon K. (“Mort”) Allin
-South
-Opposition
-Denver
-Indianapolis
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-Intervention by the Justice Department
-Richard G. Kleindienst
-Talk with Ehrlichman
-Michigan
-Nashville
-Texas
-Morgan
-Justice Department position
-Legislation
-Moratorium
-Conference committee
-Constitutional amendment
-Strom Thurmond
-Possibility of passage

ITT
-J. Edgar Hoover
-Talk with Ehrlichman
-Anderson
-Document (Dita D. Beard memorandum)
-Gray
-James O. Eastland
-Tests conducted in New York
-Questioning
-Colson
-Decision
-Public statement
-FBI experts
-White House strategy
-Hearings
-Beard testimony
-Denver
-Eastland
-Edward .M. Kennedy's witnesses
-Mike J. Mansfield
-Beard memorandum
-Authenticity
-Vice President Spiro T. Agnew comments
-Life magazine story
-Press coverage
-Kleindienst comments
-Justice Department
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-Clifford Irving
-Look magazine
-Life magazine
-Hobart D. (“Hobe”) Lewis
-Postal subsidy
-Life magazine
-Peter M. Flanigan's views
-Esquire

Pay Board
-George Meany
-George P. Shultz
-Meany
-Democrat
-Public members
-Meany's resignation
-Effect on Phase II
-Food prices
-Longshoremen strike
-Labor representatives
-Wage and price controls
-The President’s August 15, 1971 statement
-Economy
-Food prices
-Consumer Price Index [CPI]
-Dock strike
-Duration
-Effect on economy
-Congress
-Legislation
-Herbert Stein

The President’s forthcoming state dinner for Erim

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