733–3

Conversation No. 733-3

Date: June 14, 1972
Time: 10:04-11:07 am
Location: Oval Office

William P. Rogers met with Henry A. Kissinger.
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Refreshments

Vietnam
-Kissinger’s meeting with Andrei A. Gromyko
-Meeting between the President and Leonid I. Brezhnev
-Nguyen Van Thieu
-Prisoners of war [POWs]
-Hanoi
-Nikolai V. Podgorny’s forthcoming visit
-US response to Soviet Union proposals

An unknown man entered and left at an unknown time.

Kissinger's plans
-Possible meetings with the Soviet Union
-People’s Republic of China [PRC]
-Consultations
-Reaction to Podgorny trip to Hanoi
-Kissinger’s forthcoming trip to PRC
-Podgorny’s trip

John B. Connally
-Possible trip

Vietnam
-Bombing
-PRC reaction
-Press reactions
-Military

Kissinger’s meeting with Eisaku Sato
-Briefing for Rogers
-Takeo Fukuda
-Press conference

International Labor Organization [ILO]
-Kissinger’s memorandum
-Rogers’s memorandum
-Charles Colson
-George Meany

Rogers’s forthcoming trip
-Austalia, New Zealand and the US [ANZUS]
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Kissinger’s forthcoming briefing for Congressmen
-Gerard C. Smith
-Presence
-Forthcoming testimony

The President entered at 10:12 am.

Rogers
-Health
-Lee Trevino

Rogers forthcoming trip to Asia
-Southeast Asia Treaty Organization [SEATO] meeting
-The President's earlier trip to Poland
-Yugoslavia
-SEATO
-Canberra
-Timing
-Congress
-Democratic National Convention
-Possible itinerary
-Indonesia
-Indochina
-Cambodia
-Laos
-Persian Gulf
-Bahrain
-Iran
-Mohammed Reza Pahlavi [Shah of Iran]
-Spiro T. Agnew
-Kuwait
-Romania And Yugoslavia
-Request for Rogers
-Hungary
-Czechoslovakia
-Cyprus
-Ceylon
-Relations with India
-Visit by US officials
-The President's 1953 trip to Colombia
-Compared to Switzerland
-Greece
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-North Atlantic Treaty Organization [NATO]
-Turkey
-Political considerations
-SEATO
-Sir Alexander F. Douglas-Home
-ANZUS
-Indonesia
-Japanese
-Sato
-Takeo Fukuda

Rogers forthcoming trip
-Ceylon
-US relations
-Robert Strausz-Hupe
-Afghanistan
-Visit by Rogers
-John B. Connally
-Pakistan
-Bangladesh
-Shah
-Persian Gulf
-Romania and Yugoslavia
-Soviet Union reactions
-Visit by Rogers
-Josip Broz Tito
-Moscow
-Gromyko
-Paris
-Yugoslavia
-US relations
-Romania
-The President’s view
-Nicolae Ceausescu
-Tito
-Age
-Tito’s previous meeting with Brezhnev
-Romania
-Visit by Rogers
-Greece
-The President’s view
-Agnew
-NATO reactions to visit
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-Scandinavians
-Importance to US
-Political considerations
-Romania
-Domestic reactions by Romanian-Americans
-Political considerations
-Chicago
-Pittsburgh
-Spain
-Portugal
-Morocco
-Political considerations
-Greece, Romania, and Yugoslavia
-Domestic reactions
-Rogers’s view
-Korea
-Talks with North Korea
-Credit to the President
-Taiwan
-Possible problem
-Amount of time
-John S. D. Eisenhower
-Singapore, Malaysia
Middle East
-Oil supplies
-Bahrain
-Kuwait
-Connally, Agnew
-Iran
-Bahrain
-Saudi Arabia
-Port facilities
-British reaction
-Douglas-Home
-Shah's reaction
-Itinerary
-Length
-Report to the President

The President's schedule
-San Clemente
-Congressional recess
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Rogers speech at Commonwealth Club
-Press coverage
-Television

Possible speaking engagements for Rogers
-Ethnic groups
-Reactions to Rogers's trip
-Chicago Execuritves Club
-Arrangements
-H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman
-Foreign relations councils
-Rogers visit
-Los Angeles
-Town Hall
-Advantages
-Labor organizations
-Colson
-International Brotherhood of Teamsters
-Building trades
-Import for foreign policy
-American Legion and Veterans of Foreign Wars [VFW]
-Rogers's appearance
-Ethnic groups
-Catholic groups

Personnel
-Ambassadorships
-Blacks
-John E. Reinhardt
-Nigeria
-W. Beverly Carter, Jr.
-Tanzania
-Terrance A. Todman
-Samuel Z. Westerfield, Jr.
-Liberia
-Jerome H. Holland
-Quality of appointments
-Photograph sessions
-Ceylon
-Ambassadorship
-Racial factors
-Tamils
-Black Ambassadors
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-Pakistan
-Robert G. Neumann
-Background
-Afghanistan
-Haldeman
-University of Califorinia at Los Angeles [UCLA]
-James R. Schlesinger
-Rogers view
-Background
-Support for the President
-1960
-UCLA
-Kissinger’s view
-Walter J. Stoessel, Jr.
-Martin J. Hillenbrand
-Ambassadorship to Poland
-Possible representative to NATO
David M. Kennedy
-Qualifications
-Advantages of appointment as Assistant Secretary of
State for European Affairs
-European Security Conference
-The President’s view
-Hillenbrand
-Ambassador to West Germany
-Background
-George C. McGee
-Lyndon B. Johnson, John F. Kennedy
-The President's meeting with Hillenbrand

Strategic Arms and Limitation Treaty [SALT]
-Forthcoming testimony to Congress
-Reservations
-Potential problems
-Re-negotiations
-Timing
-Defense expenditures
-J. William Fulbright
-Melvin R. Laird
-Opposition
-Defense budget
-Trident submarines
-Washington, DC anti-ballistic missile [ABM] site
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-Administration position
-B-1 bomber
-Henry M. (“Scoop”) Jackson
-Talk with Kissinger
-George S. McGovern
-Jackson’s view
-Statement on Vietnam War
-Prisoners of war [POWs]
-Kissinger’s view
-John C. Stennis
-Previous meeting with the President
-Vietnam
-John L. McClellan

The President talked with the White House operator at 10:45 am.

[Conversation No. 733-3A]

[See Conversation No. 25-63]

[End of telephone conversation]

The President's call to McClellan

SALT
-Jackson’s view
-Support for defense budget
-Clark MacGregor
-Michael J. Mansfield, J. William Fulbright
-Support for the President
-Defense appropriations

-Testimony before Congress
-Laird
-Negotiations with the Soviets
-The President's conversation with Stennis
-Next round of SALT negotiations
-Passage of SALT I
-Jackson
-US military strength
-The President’s view
-Congressional limitations on defense budget
-Weaponry
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-Philip A. Hart [?]
-ABM
-Future of US strength
-Weapons systems
-Undersea long-range missiles [ULMS]
-B-I bomber
-Joint Chiefs of Staff [JCS]
-Laird
-ABM
-Malmstrom site
-Gen. Royal B. Allison
-Adm. Thomas H. Moorer
-Paul H. Nitze

The President talked with McClellan between 10:51 and 10:53 am.

[Conversation No. 733-3B]

[See Conversation No. 25-64]

Rogers talked with McClellan.

[See Conversation No. 25-64]

[End of telephone conversation]

SALT
-The President's talk with Republican leaders
-Need for SALT
-The President’s view
-Laird's statement
-Soviet Union
-Missile defense system
-Protection
-PRC
-Advantages
-Technology development
-Defense costs
-Defense budget
-Opponents
-Laird's testimony

Forthcoming negotiations with Soviet Union
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-Resignation of Smith
-Replacement
-Qualities

Rogers's trip
-White House announcement
-Itinerary
-Meeting with the President

Rogers's testimony
-Smith
-Format
-Questions
-Laird and Moorer
-Smith’s role

Colson
-Signals to Rogers on television appearances
-Haldeman
-Role of Cabinet heads
-Richard G. Kleindienst

\"Meet the Press\"
-Rogers's appearance

The President's press conference
-Scheduling
-Timing
-Colson and John A. Scali
-The President’s view
-Foreign policy achievements
-Domestic issues
-Timing
-Relation to the President's trip to Soviet Union
-Content

The President's previous meeting with Brezhnev
-Vietnam
-Podgorny's trip to Hanoi
-Itinerary
-Proposals to Hanoi
-Secrecy of trip
-US hopes for trip
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John D. Lavelle
-Actions
-Removal by Laird
-Testimony before Congress
-Effect
-Actions
-Gen. Creighton W. Abrams. Jr.

Television appearances by Rogers
-Haldeman
-SALT
-Rogers's trip

\"Issues and Answers\"
-Compared with a press conference
-Quality of show
-Importance of show
-Press conference
-Colson

John N. Mitchell

Press conference
-Publicity

Rogers and Kissinger left at 11:07 am.