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868–13
- President Richard M. Nixon
- Jack J. Dreyfus
- UNKNOWN
- Rose Mary Woods
- Stephen B. Bull
March 3, 1973
Conversation No. 868-13
Date: March 3, 1973
Time: Unknown between 12:10 pm and 1:09 pm
Location: Oval Office
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM
Tape Subject Log
(rev. June-2010)
The President met with Jack J. Dreyfus, Sr.; the White House photographer was present at the
beginning of the meeting.
Introduction
Seating
[Photograph session]
The White House photographer left.
Airplanes
-Problems
-Terrorism
An unknown man entered at an unknown time after 12:10 pm.
Refreshment
The unknown man left at an unknown time before 12:54 pm.
1972 election
-President's victory
International affairs
-People’s Republic of China [PRC], Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [USSR]
initiative
-Chances of war
-Vietnam War
-Peace settlement
-Public mood
-Riots, arson
-Radicalism
-Tactics
-Khartoum, Sudan incident
-George C. Wallace assassination attempt
-Arthur H. Bremer
-Sirhan Sirhan
-Robert F. (“Bobby”) Kennedy
-Khartoum
-29-
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM
Tape Subject Log
(rev. June-2010)
Conversation No. 868-13 (cont’d)
-Embassy
-Black September
-Arab frustrations
-Israel
-Poverty
Criminals in US
-Behavior
-Treatment
Hobart D. (“Hobe”) Lewis
-Article in Readers Digest
-Editorial independence
President's vacation
President's accomplishments
-Opportunities on medicine
Diphenylhydantoin [DPH, Dilantin]
-Dreyfus Medical Foundation
-Food and Drug Administration [FDA]
-Policies
-Role
-Limitations
-Dreyfus's promotion of DPH
-Dreyfus Fund
-Briefing for President
-Necessity
-Qualities of DPH
-Habit-forming
-Tolerance
-Non-sedative
-Benefits
-Side effects
-Chance of fatal overdose
-Prescribed dosage
-Variation
-Epilepsy
-30-
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM
Tape Subject Log
(rev. June-2010)
Conversation No. 868-13 (cont’d)
-Dreyfus’s use
-Daily
-Tolerance
-Craving
-Qualities of DPH
-Conflicts
-Intestinal tract
-Tranquilizers
-Regulation of body's electricity
-Difficulties in spurring interest in medical establishment
-Blood pressure
-Test
-Dilantin
-Incidence
Dreyfus meeting with member of Supreme Soviet
-Madame Ektareva [?]
-Chairman of Board of Public Health
-Soviet government employees
-Compared to US government employees
-View of private ventures
FDA investigation of DPH
Nelson A. Rockefeller
-Letter to unknown person
Hobe Lewis’s story
-Albert Meisel
-Writer on medicine
-Investigation of DPH
-Article
-Length to write
-Outline
President's reading habits
President’s schedule
-31-
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM
Tape Subject Log
(rev. June-2010)
Conversation No. 868-13 (cont’d)
Meisel’s article
-Title [?]
-“The Strange Case of the Misunderstood Medicine”
-Development of DPH
-Doctors Trace and Putnam
-Epilepsy
-Phenobarbital's effects compared to DPH
-Boston City Hospital
-Drs. Putnam and Merek [?]
-Parke Davis laboratories
-DPH’s uses
-Dr. William Shapiro's research during 1940's
-Migraine relief
-Dr. Richard Rountree and Dr. Wagner's work in 1950's
-William McCullough and William Ingram's work
-Tic doubureux
-Painful tic
-John Foster Dulles
-Man who visited Dreyfus
-Philanthropist
-Relief from DPH
-Symptoms
-Other treatments
-Dr. Bergman of Bordeauz, France
-Results acknowledged, tested
-Hans Peter Jensen [?]
-Milton Henry [?]
-Dreyfus’s involvement with promoting DPH
-Dreyfus
-Medical problems
-Treatment
-Paper on DPH
-Epileptics
-Dreyfus’s health
-Treatment with DPH
-Dreyfus Medical Foundation
-Dr. Tanner
-Dr. Bogash [?]
-Research
-32-
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM
Tape Subject Log
(rev. June-2010)
Conversation No. 868-13 (cont’d)
-Johns Hopkins, Massachusetts General, Northwestern,
University of Pennsylvania
-Treatment of heart problems
-Baylor University
-Experiments
-Article
-Compared to epilepsy
-Mercer and Osbourne of Vancouver, Canada
-Arythmias
-Compared to other medicines
-American Medical Association [AMA] drug evaluations
-Work of Dreyfus Foundation
-Prisoners
-Use of DPH as mood altering drug
-Impact on attitudes, moods
-Linnus School for Boys [?]
-Retarded people
-Roosevelt Hospital, Maryland
-Drs. Stevens and Shaefer
-Johns Hopkins
-Anxiety treatment
-Mechanism of DPH
-Chemistry of DPH
-Role of Dreyfus Foundation in DPH research
-Published articles, reports
-Endorsements of DPH
-Psychiatrists, physicians
-Compared to narcotics
Negative assessment of DPH
-Gore Vidal [?]
-Prescriptions of DPH
-Number
-Use by doctors, psychiatrists
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[Begin segment reviewed under deed of gift]
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NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM
Tape Subject Log
(rev. June-2010)
Conversation No. 868-13 (cont’d)
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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 5
[Personal returnable]
[Duration: 29s ]
END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 5
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Use of DPH
-Case histories
Dr. Arnold A. Hutschnecker
-New York
-Book, The Will to Live
President’s former physician
-Psychiatry
-Background
-Austin
DPH
-Parke Davis
-Referral to Dreyfus Medical Foundation
-Problem of getting a review
-Doctors
-FDA
-Doctors
-Lack of access
-Drug salesman
-Government
-34-
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM
Tape Subject Log
(rev. June-2010)
Conversation No. 868-13 (cont’d)
-Patent
-Expiration
-FDA approval
-Cost of production
-Competition with drug companies
-Savings to government
-Hospital bills
-Case histories
-Research
-Benefits
-Number of disorders to be treated, cured
-FDA
-Compartmentalization
-Doctors
-Experiments with DPH
-Scleradema disease [?]
-Treatment with DPH
-Oklahoma
-Article published in Spain
-Letters of those treated with DPH
-Book for President
-Jail studies
-Use as food supplement
-Use as an optional drug
Hutschnecker
-Visit from Dreyfus
-Expert on blood chemistry
-Effects of body chemistry on mental states
-Offices
-Location
Letters to Dreyfus
-Doctors
-On use of Dreyfus’s paper on DPH
Rose Mary Woods
-Hutschnecker
-Address
-35-
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM
Tape Subject Log
(rev. June-2010)
Conversation No. 868-13 (cont’d)
Hutschnecker
-Evaluation of DPH
Spiro T. Agnew
-Time to meet with Dreyfus
Rose Mary Woods entered at 12:54 pm.
Hutschnecker
-Address
-Analysis of DPH
-Address
-Woods's telephone call to Hutschnecker
-Book on DPH to Hutschnecker
-Belief in psychiatric analysis of world leaders
-Background
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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 6
[Personal returnable]
[Duration: 4s]
END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 6
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-Internist with psychiatric experience
-Qualities
-Amount of time to discuss DPH
-Meeting with Dreyfus
-Case histories
-Data on drug
Elliot L. Richardson
-Talk with Dreyfus
-36-
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM
Tape Subject Log
(rev. June-2010)
Conversation No. 868-13 (cont’d)
Woods telephone calls to Hutschnecker, Dreyfus
Caspar W. (“Cap”) Weinberger
-Health Education and Welfare [HEW]
-Intelligence
-Talk with Dreyfus
-Time
-Analytical ability
-Visit to Maine island or Florida farm
Dreyfus attendance at White House parties
-Trip to Florida
Charles G. (\"Bebe\") Rebozo
-Talk with Dreyfus
-Time
Woods telephone call to Dreyfus
Dreyfus left at 1:04 pm; Woods remained.
An unknown man entered at 1:04 pm.
Refreshment
The unknown man left at an unknown time before 1:09 pm.
White House social affairs
-Staff members
-Invitation
-Reasons
-Stag dinners, contributors dinners
-Cabinet officers
-John B. Connally, Agnew
-Invitation to Mills Godwin
-List from Leonard Marks
-Staff members
-H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman, John D. Ehrlichman, Henry A. Kissinger, Peter M.
-37-
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM
Tape Subject Log
(rev. June-2010)
Conversation No. 868-13 (cont’d)
Flannigan
-Ehrlichman, Flannigan
-Invitation
-Herbert G. Klein
-Raymond K. Price, Jr., Leonard Garment, Ronald L. Ziegler
-Invitation
-Ezra Solomon
-Invitation
-Herbert Stein
-Wives [?]
Drawings
-Recipients
-Seal
-Peace
-President’s preference
-Number purchased
White House social affairs
-Haldeman
-Invitation
-Connally
-Dealings with President's supporters
-Prospective ambassadorial appointments
-Social engagements compared to political events
-Invitation to wife
-Entertainment
-Paul W. Keyes
-Irving Berlin
-Dick Martin and Dan Rowan
Bull entered at an unknown time after 1:04 pm.
President's meeting with Kissinger and George P. Shultz
Bull left at an unknown time before 1:09 pm.
White House dinner entertainment
-Woods meeting with Haldeman
-38-
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM
Tape Subject Log
(rev. June-2010)
Conversation No. 868-13 (cont’d)
-Rowan and Martin
Woods left at 1:09 pm.
Date: March 3, 1973
Time: Unknown between 12:10 pm and 1:09 pm
Location: Oval Office
-28-
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM
Tape Subject Log
(rev. June-2010)
The President met with Jack J. Dreyfus, Sr.; the White House photographer was present at the
beginning of the meeting.
Introduction
Seating
[Photograph session]
The White House photographer left.
Airplanes
-Problems
-Terrorism
An unknown man entered at an unknown time after 12:10 pm.
Refreshment
The unknown man left at an unknown time before 12:54 pm.
1972 election
-President's victory
International affairs
-People’s Republic of China [PRC], Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [USSR]
initiative
-Chances of war
-Vietnam War
-Peace settlement
-Public mood
-Riots, arson
-Radicalism
-Tactics
-Khartoum, Sudan incident
-George C. Wallace assassination attempt
-Arthur H. Bremer
-Sirhan Sirhan
-Robert F. (“Bobby”) Kennedy
-Khartoum
-29-
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM
Tape Subject Log
(rev. June-2010)
Conversation No. 868-13 (cont’d)
-Embassy
-Black September
-Arab frustrations
-Israel
-Poverty
Criminals in US
-Behavior
-Treatment
Hobart D. (“Hobe”) Lewis
-Article in Readers Digest
-Editorial independence
President's vacation
President's accomplishments
-Opportunities on medicine
Diphenylhydantoin [DPH, Dilantin]
-Dreyfus Medical Foundation
-Food and Drug Administration [FDA]
-Policies
-Role
-Limitations
-Dreyfus's promotion of DPH
-Dreyfus Fund
-Briefing for President
-Necessity
-Qualities of DPH
-Habit-forming
-Tolerance
-Non-sedative
-Benefits
-Side effects
-Chance of fatal overdose
-Prescribed dosage
-Variation
-Epilepsy
-30-
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM
Tape Subject Log
(rev. June-2010)
Conversation No. 868-13 (cont’d)
-Dreyfus’s use
-Daily
-Tolerance
-Craving
-Qualities of DPH
-Conflicts
-Intestinal tract
-Tranquilizers
-Regulation of body's electricity
-Difficulties in spurring interest in medical establishment
-Blood pressure
-Test
-Dilantin
-Incidence
Dreyfus meeting with member of Supreme Soviet
-Madame Ektareva [?]
-Chairman of Board of Public Health
-Soviet government employees
-Compared to US government employees
-View of private ventures
FDA investigation of DPH
Nelson A. Rockefeller
-Letter to unknown person
Hobe Lewis’s story
-Albert Meisel
-Writer on medicine
-Investigation of DPH
-Article
-Length to write
-Outline
President's reading habits
President’s schedule
-31-
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM
Tape Subject Log
(rev. June-2010)
Conversation No. 868-13 (cont’d)
Meisel’s article
-Title [?]
-“The Strange Case of the Misunderstood Medicine”
-Development of DPH
-Doctors Trace and Putnam
-Epilepsy
-Phenobarbital's effects compared to DPH
-Boston City Hospital
-Drs. Putnam and Merek [?]
-Parke Davis laboratories
-DPH’s uses
-Dr. William Shapiro's research during 1940's
-Migraine relief
-Dr. Richard Rountree and Dr. Wagner's work in 1950's
-William McCullough and William Ingram's work
-Tic doubureux
-Painful tic
-John Foster Dulles
-Man who visited Dreyfus
-Philanthropist
-Relief from DPH
-Symptoms
-Other treatments
-Dr. Bergman of Bordeauz, France
-Results acknowledged, tested
-Hans Peter Jensen [?]
-Milton Henry [?]
-Dreyfus’s involvement with promoting DPH
-Dreyfus
-Medical problems
-Treatment
-Paper on DPH
-Epileptics
-Dreyfus’s health
-Treatment with DPH
-Dreyfus Medical Foundation
-Dr. Tanner
-Dr. Bogash [?]
-Research
-32-
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM
Tape Subject Log
(rev. June-2010)
Conversation No. 868-13 (cont’d)
-Johns Hopkins, Massachusetts General, Northwestern,
University of Pennsylvania
-Treatment of heart problems
-Baylor University
-Experiments
-Article
-Compared to epilepsy
-Mercer and Osbourne of Vancouver, Canada
-Arythmias
-Compared to other medicines
-American Medical Association [AMA] drug evaluations
-Work of Dreyfus Foundation
-Prisoners
-Use of DPH as mood altering drug
-Impact on attitudes, moods
-Linnus School for Boys [?]
-Retarded people
-Roosevelt Hospital, Maryland
-Drs. Stevens and Shaefer
-Johns Hopkins
-Anxiety treatment
-Mechanism of DPH
-Chemistry of DPH
-Role of Dreyfus Foundation in DPH research
-Published articles, reports
-Endorsements of DPH
-Psychiatrists, physicians
-Compared to narcotics
Negative assessment of DPH
-Gore Vidal [?]
-Prescriptions of DPH
-Number
-Use by doctors, psychiatrists
******************************************************************************
[Begin segment reviewed under deed of gift]
-33-
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM
Tape Subject Log
(rev. June-2010)
Conversation No. 868-13 (cont’d)
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--
BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 5
[Personal returnable]
[Duration: 29s ]
END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 5
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
[End segment reviewed under deed of gift]
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Use of DPH
-Case histories
Dr. Arnold A. Hutschnecker
-New York
-Book, The Will to Live
President’s former physician
-Psychiatry
-Background
-Austin
DPH
-Parke Davis
-Referral to Dreyfus Medical Foundation
-Problem of getting a review
-Doctors
-FDA
-Doctors
-Lack of access
-Drug salesman
-Government
-34-
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM
Tape Subject Log
(rev. June-2010)
Conversation No. 868-13 (cont’d)
-Patent
-Expiration
-FDA approval
-Cost of production
-Competition with drug companies
-Savings to government
-Hospital bills
-Case histories
-Research
-Benefits
-Number of disorders to be treated, cured
-FDA
-Compartmentalization
-Doctors
-Experiments with DPH
-Scleradema disease [?]
-Treatment with DPH
-Oklahoma
-Article published in Spain
-Letters of those treated with DPH
-Book for President
-Jail studies
-Use as food supplement
-Use as an optional drug
Hutschnecker
-Visit from Dreyfus
-Expert on blood chemistry
-Effects of body chemistry on mental states
-Offices
-Location
Letters to Dreyfus
-Doctors
-On use of Dreyfus’s paper on DPH
Rose Mary Woods
-Hutschnecker
-Address
-35-
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM
Tape Subject Log
(rev. June-2010)
Conversation No. 868-13 (cont’d)
Hutschnecker
-Evaluation of DPH
Spiro T. Agnew
-Time to meet with Dreyfus
Rose Mary Woods entered at 12:54 pm.
Hutschnecker
-Address
-Analysis of DPH
-Address
-Woods's telephone call to Hutschnecker
-Book on DPH to Hutschnecker
-Belief in psychiatric analysis of world leaders
-Background
******************************************************************************
BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 6
[Personal returnable]
[Duration: 4s]
END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 6
*****************************************************************************
-Internist with psychiatric experience
-Qualities
-Amount of time to discuss DPH
-Meeting with Dreyfus
-Case histories
-Data on drug
Elliot L. Richardson
-Talk with Dreyfus
-36-
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM
Tape Subject Log
(rev. June-2010)
Conversation No. 868-13 (cont’d)
Woods telephone calls to Hutschnecker, Dreyfus
Caspar W. (“Cap”) Weinberger
-Health Education and Welfare [HEW]
-Intelligence
-Talk with Dreyfus
-Time
-Analytical ability
-Visit to Maine island or Florida farm
Dreyfus attendance at White House parties
-Trip to Florida
Charles G. (\"Bebe\") Rebozo
-Talk with Dreyfus
-Time
Woods telephone call to Dreyfus
Dreyfus left at 1:04 pm; Woods remained.
An unknown man entered at 1:04 pm.
Refreshment
The unknown man left at an unknown time before 1:09 pm.
White House social affairs
-Staff members
-Invitation
-Reasons
-Stag dinners, contributors dinners
-Cabinet officers
-John B. Connally, Agnew
-Invitation to Mills Godwin
-List from Leonard Marks
-Staff members
-H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman, John D. Ehrlichman, Henry A. Kissinger, Peter M.
-37-
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM
Tape Subject Log
(rev. June-2010)
Conversation No. 868-13 (cont’d)
Flannigan
-Ehrlichman, Flannigan
-Invitation
-Herbert G. Klein
-Raymond K. Price, Jr., Leonard Garment, Ronald L. Ziegler
-Invitation
-Ezra Solomon
-Invitation
-Herbert Stein
-Wives [?]
Drawings
-Recipients
-Seal
-Peace
-President’s preference
-Number purchased
White House social affairs
-Haldeman
-Invitation
-Connally
-Dealings with President's supporters
-Prospective ambassadorial appointments
-Social engagements compared to political events
-Invitation to wife
-Entertainment
-Paul W. Keyes
-Irving Berlin
-Dick Martin and Dan Rowan
Bull entered at an unknown time after 1:04 pm.
President's meeting with Kissinger and George P. Shultz
Bull left at an unknown time before 1:09 pm.
White House dinner entertainment
-Woods meeting with Haldeman
-38-
NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM
Tape Subject Log
(rev. June-2010)
Conversation No. 868-13 (cont’d)
-Rowan and Martin
Woods left at 1:09 pm.